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    Default SeaSoft = See TOUGH!

    MORE THAN WEIGHT BELTS
    Several DEMA’s ago I came onto the SeaSoft booth. To me, these were the guys who made those soft weight belts… I mean, I knew nothing else about these guys.




    I remember meeting their President, Bruce Justinen – a big guy who’s clearly been around the dive industry for a long time. At that time their booth mostly contained the soft weight belt, soft weight pouches, gloves, booties (“boots” as they call them) and hoods. I told Bruce I was a diver in SoCal, and I was tired of neoprene gloves that would only last one lobster season and then fall apart.

    Bruce smiled and walked me over to their gloves, and spent the next 20 minutes going through their line. WOW. Who knew I had so many choices in gloves! He turned them inside-out, walked me through the seams, the construction, the cut, the neoprene selected (several types on some gloves, each with a specific purpose), the 3 or 4 different palm and finger coatings to meet the specific task I had in mind.



    We played tug-o-war with a glove (he’s bigger so he cheated ) This guy is passionate about gloves. I bought a couple right there. I’m still wearing one of the pair I bought years ago – the other I ended up giving to a buddy.


    WHY IS SEASOFT DIFFERENT?
    Bruce shared that SeaSoft looks at things a little differently than some other companies. Instead of backing into a retail price point (say, $29.99 for a boot) and selecting the materials to meet that price point (which would require a less-robust sole, smaller zipper, fewer seams on, etc.) they look first to build the best quality product.

    The net result is, yes – their stuff is a little more expensive than the other gloves and boots in the store. But this is one of those wonderful cases of “you really do get what you pay for.” SeaSoft has completely spoiled me for all other wet gloves, as their gloves I bought several DEMA’s ago have already outlasted any other pair of wet gloves I’ve ever had.


    MY RETURN TO SEASOFT
    So its now 2007 – and SeaSoft has blown up. Sure – they still have the killer gloves, and belts and hoods and boots. But there is a line of BC’s, drysuits and some other cool stuff. I couldn’t wait to get back to see Bruce and his crew.

    HBDiveGirl has seen those super gloves, and I know she has complete glove envy. So my first order of business was picking up a pair for her – she has just wrecked her gloves and Lobster season is here.

    Next, I’ve recently moved out of wearing Rock Boots with my drysuit, and moved to a Wet Suit bootie over the DS sock foot so I could move from the humongous Turtle Fins to a more reasonably sized SP Jet. I went tmy local dive shop and bought the boots they had in stock. No lie – I’m on my THIRD pair of wetsuit booties. Each of the ones I’ve tried over the last 4 months have either split or the zipper broke or the sole shredded… basically, they all suck. So I’m looking to SeaSoft.



    I hook up with Bruce and he takes me on another 20 minute tour – this time, being the glove expert that I am now, we talk “boots” (don’t call them booties!) In their booth they have a cut-away SeaSoft boot, exposing some of the unique construction methods employed. A REAL insole that won’t rot and fall into the rinse bucket in a few weeks. A REAL arch support (not just a raised sole…an arch support on the INSIDE of the boot!) A hard sole (think SoCal rock hopping), a raised heel, a phat zipper (#10 – think sleeping bag zipper as opposed to baby-clothes zipper) that can still be opened when its caked with sand, 6mm neoprene for warmth, etc, etc.




    As with the gloves, dude made me a believer. A minute later I’m on the cell calling Claudette from the booth. “Hi. Me again. Calling from SeaAoft. Uh. I’m also getting some boots. You’ve seen me murdering all those lame boots I’m using for my drysuit… I think these SeaSoft’s are the real deal.”

    She wants a pair. In fact, we both bought two pair – the boots we use for our wetsuits are falling apart, too.

    My current “warm” hood is shredded, too. I was going to replace it this March, as I’ll be using the Otter Bay 12mm helmet through winter. With the quality in SeaSoft’s gloves and boots, I figure their hood is in the same league, right?. I try one on. SCORE! Great fit right out of the pack, no chin seam (thank goodness) and a hidden vent to keep me from going all Gumby Head by the end of the dive.





    I load up my arms and I pull Bruce over to thank him. He looks at all the stuff I just bought (4 sets of boots, 2 pairs of gloves and a hood!) and he thanks me. The sad thing is this: I probably won’t need to go see him for replacements for another 4 years!

    These guys SeaSoft (in Washington State) are the real deal. They make the best gloves I’ve ever used, and their boots and hood are super comfy, fit great and have more quality construction elements than any other off-the-shelf products. I highly recommend these guys – go check them out at www.seasoftscuba.com. If you pick up their stuff and you like it, be sure to send Bruce an eMail at bruce@seasoftscuba.com and tell him Ken from Dive Matrix sent you over. Good people, great stuff that lasts and lasts.


    Ken as SeaSoft Man, sporting my 4 year old gloves, my new hood and new boots. Huge thanks to my man Ziheedie Swan at SeaSoft for hooking me up with the Tee

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    Ken, I realize that durability is another issue, but how do you feel about the dexterity and sense of touch transmitted through the SeaSoft gloves compared to 3mm InstaDry's?
    Uh-oh... what happens if you chose both pills?!?

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    Dexterity? I use my Drygloves.

    That said, I've dived the SeaSoft gloves wet a number of times in non-lobstering situations. All my photography at the LB Aquarium and when we were in Hawaii was done with the SeaSoft gloves, specifically the TI Pro Edge 3mm. So the index finger and the thumb are 1.5mm.

    Never an issue. Working the camera, working the clips, writing legibly in the wet notes.

    Plus, they're cut a little longer - so the water flushing in my Wetsuit is less with these gloves.

    I can't say enough great things about them.

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    Ken are you giving the boots the white glove treatment or something?? Like, what's up with the towel

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    The boots look like the Scubapro boots... or maybe scubapro has sea soft make the boots for them? Sounds like it's passed the mot2vation hazard test.

    http://www.scubapro.com/#,en_US;contenthandler,13773,

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    Default Hee hee...

    Quote Originally Posted by rjack View Post
    Ken are you giving the boots the white glove treatment or something?? Like, what's up with the towel
    I had to stand on a little platform to get the shot of the boots. Cam on Tripod and all that.

    Tried a crate originally - too tall.

    So I grabbed a CD player from my Studio. Threw a towel over it so the black boots didn't get lost...

    So sue me.




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    I guess that CD player is relegated to being stood one, musta been eclipsed by an Ipod

    Nice lookin' gloves, although I haven't used a wet glove in 3 years. No lobsta's 'round here.

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    The SeaSoft boots are great! I like the "high-top" with the hard sole so much for cold diving that I went out and bought the Sunray "low-top" version for warm water travel.

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    Ah ... so you've met Bruce ... never met a man in my life who could spend more time talking about the properties of neoprene ... but for sure he's passionate about his products.

    The SunRays are ... to my concern ... the best rock boot available if you've got the feet for 'em. They're a bit narrow for mine (unfortunately), but they sure make climbing out of a rocky beach in doubles easier than anything else I've tried. That ain't why he built 'em, but they're great for that.

    Cheng used SeaSoft Ti gloves for a looooooong time ... damn things never did wear out. It's just that after three hundred or so dives, the neoprene isn't as warm as it used to be. As I recall, the index finger has a slightly lighterweight neoprene than the rest of the glove ... for dexterity purposes. She sure seemed to like 'em.

    SeaSoft makes a pretty nice drysuit too ... if you're into neoprene suits. But talking Bruce into putting pockets on it may prove ... entertaining ...

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)

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    Talking hee hee..

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Diver View Post
    The SunRays are ... to my concern ... the best rock boot available if you've got the feet for 'em. They're a bit narrow for mine (unfortunately), but they sure make climbing out of a rocky beach in doubles easier than anything else I've tried. That ain't why he built 'em, but they're great for that.

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
    When I said in my 48 Hour DEMA whirlwind that I was coming back with 8 boots....

    That's two pair of the Stealth boots (one to replace my POS BodyGlove boots and one to Satisfy Claudette's boot envy)

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    two pair of the SunRays for the DrySuits (one pair for me, and one pair for my buddy, who shall remain nameless, to satisfy her boot envy...)




    I agree. Best idea yet for a "rock boot" replacement, if you got the foot for 'em. And cuz Kenny is sporting princess feet, I do.

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    Ken -- Since you've used them before, what do you find are the buoyancy characteristics of the drysuit boots?

    The boots on my Mobby's are cracked and leaking, and I'm seriously considering having them changed out for socks and going to boots with better traction for getting up those Cove 2 rocks. But I don't want to discover the boots are counteracting the negative buoyancy of my Jets!
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    Default Buoyancy? On Dive Boots?

    Quote Originally Posted by LCF View Post
    Ken -- Since you've used them before, what do you find are the buoyancy characteristics of the drysuit boots?

    The boots on my Mobby's are cracked and leaking, and I'm seriously considering having them changed out for socks and going to boots with better traction for getting up those Cove 2 rocks. But I don't want to discover the boots are counteracting the negative buoyancy of my Jets!
    I never even thought about it before.

    I mean, the ones I'm using are low-top shoes, essentially. With stocking feet on the DS, I can't imagine there'd be any "added" buoyancy. In fact, I'd bet its far less than with built in boots:

    1. Built in boots simply have more air space that you aren't compressing above your ankle to your mid-calf
    2. On and around your actual foot (even your diminutive tootsies) a glued-on DS boot doesn't compress much, as its not designed to. So there is air around your feet
    3. As Glued-on boots aren't designed to be cinched down and offer no real support (there is no real arch support, no ankle support, etc.) but are essentially over-boots or rain boots or deck boots kinda glued on, they're not designed to protect your feet and ankles while transporting 100+ pounds of gear. They're soles are usually insufficient to the task of rock hopping and your foot flops around a bit inside
    I can't imagine any scenario where a glued-on boot would offer better support or less gas trappage than a stocking foot design with a properly fitting well designed dive boot.

    I honestly don't know how the "turbo soles only" guys go shore diving. Clamoring over the rocks like we do, it'd be asking for a twisted ankle or worse taking turbo soles under the full weight of the stuff we dive.


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    My concern about the buoyancy would be about the neoprene vs canvas material for the boot. My 7mm boots are quite buoyant and definitely have an impact on my trim.

    As a side note, I appreciate all the DEMA detail!

    -Don

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    Default The Low Top Sun Ray's are 3mm

    Quote Originally Posted by ae3753 View Post
    My concern about the buoyancy would be about the neoprene vs canvas material for the boot. My 7mm boots are quite buoyant and definitely have an impact on my trim.

    As a side note, I appreciate all the DEMA detail!

    -Don
    With negative fin like Turtles or Jets, and with Spring Straps on those fins, I can't imagine there being a significant impact.

    I've been diving with POS Body Glove tall boots for months, and didn't notice a thing when I moved to them over my DUI rock boots. I moved to the SeaSoft shorties as I'm sick of the Body Glove boots crapping out on me.

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    When I used the SunRays I didn't notice any buoyancy difference between them and the regular rock boots. I'd still be using them if they weren't so narrow ... but by the end of the dive I was really looking forward to getting them off. But I'm a EE width ... normal people wouldn't have that issue.

    They make it noticeably easier to walk up the rocks at Cove 2, though ...

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